It was formed from the nationalisation of the Big Four British railway companies, and was privatised in stages between 1994 and 1997. the report stated that there would be some update to the double arrow, though not what that update would be. The history of British Rail's corporate liveries is quite complex. But it invites an obvious question: what is to be done about it? But thats the insidious appeal of nationalism: it willalwaysbe easier, in the short term, to spurn complicating national attachments in favour of tacking to local winds and making off with as much cash as you can lay your hands on. Underneath that in a smaller font, about half the height of the space between the botton track and the bottom of the arrow "Operated by [whomever] for Great British Railways". Steam locomotive 61306 Mayflower seen just outside Sittingbourne, Kent at lunchtime today. The UK, Britain, Great Britain, The British Isles, England - what's the difference? I don't think the red understripe would appear though, and there will still be calls from TfGM, WYCA TfWM, TfW, etc. Something timeless. GBR is similar enough to channel some continuity with BR but distinct enough to admit it's a different entity. The old Northern signs worked well, but only Metro/WYCA really got behind the co-branding opportunities, that I saw. It does because it's public perception. Because it's not going to be the same as BR. Today I would like to make a rather general suggestion rather than something specific. JavaScript is disabled. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Sadly cream on modern stock looks quite bad, or I suspect one incarnation of GWR might have tried it white might work ok instead. The British Railway official livery for meat & fish vans (and other stock which normally travelled in passenger trains) was originally crimson with yellow lettering. Old does not necessarily = bad. I'm unsure about the livery as such, but if Great British Railways is taken forward, I'd expect 'GBR' to feature. Launched as the London & South East Sector "Express Livery" this was a short-lived scheme which appeared on a limited amount of units and routes before the advent of Network SouthEast's "toothpaste" red white and blue striped livery. [5][6], The new GBR organisation was proposed under the WilliamsShapps Rail Review,[7] which was published as a white paper on 20 May 2021. If only we were to see a coherent joined up livery scheme to run nationwide like the picture above , however I rather suspect this will not be the case. Great British Railways: Livery, branding and appearance? I can sort of understand lumping Moorgate services in with London Overground, but LNER to Kings Lynn has been suggested many times without any compelling reason as to why, beyond "something something intercity standard", This idea often seems to pop its head up. He branded the Prime Minister an English nationalist, who was prepared to ignore Northern Ireland as the Conservatives have no electoral stake in the Province. No complaints really over the Rail Alphabet, I even like seeing it on old BR signage that still exists here and there. The new British Rail "double arrow" symbol on locomotives (or leading vehicle as was the case on multiple unit stock) and the vehicle number and other ancillary markings written in the Rail Alphabet typeface were other integral parts of the livery. Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread . [8], Class 501 train in Rail Blue calls at Harrow and Wealdstone, Class 416 train in British Rail blue/grey livery calls at Dalston Kingsland station. With the reorganisation of British Railways in the mid-1960s, a complete break with the past was signalled by the introduction of a blue and grey livery which dominated all passenger rolling stock until the mid-1980s, when a new Intercity livery (dark grey and beige with a red and white waistband) was introduced along with a number of regional colour schemes. Great Britain (or just Britain) is the mainland of England, Scotland and Wales. Erm are you sure about that? Press J to jump to the feed. Consisting of three shades of grey and thus known as "triple grey Railfreight", the livery included logos on the sides and cabs of locomotives indicating which sector they belonged to. All Regions. Whatever its failings and they were multitude branding was one thing British Rail took seriously and was remarkably good at. The anniversary of the Battle of Hastings which took place in 1066 was also used in publicity for the line. I quite like that version; I think I might like it even more if the black and the red were blue instead though. This is "straight out of 1975": I'm inclined to disagree there. Why are so many cars driven around dirty with the user making no attempt to keep them clean? Why do you show the double-arrow logo *and* the words "Great British Railways"? 19th September, 2019. Also, yes, the actual report has a typo, it really does say 'refect' instead of 'reflect'. In terms of changing the background colour - I was going to go with a navy blue, but then it wouldn't integrate with any part of the design system I had in my head, so I opted not to. It's the name of the island ffs. Thanks. I personally do not think there should be a standard livery across the network on the grounds that regional identity would be lost. Withdrawn 01001 is just visible at the rear. No.47373 in revised Railfreight "red stripe" livery. Except their is massive nostalgia for BR days. The rail system is no more a public service than coach companies or supermarkets. From 1966 until withdrawal, Pullman Coaches were also painted in the reversal of the normal coach livery, with the blue and grey areas transposed. Likes Received: 1,930. Here are his exact words: Hes concerned with the English vote. It will also control the contracting of passenger train services, the setting of fares and timetables, and the collection of fare revenue, with the exception of services wholly within Scotland and Wales. It highlighted different ways in which Westminster could invest in Britain's strategic transport network to better-integrate the nation. The Great British Railways Transition Team (GBRTT) seeks to deliver the most ambitious changes to our railways in a generation, working with the government and across the rail sector. [18] GBR will own all infrastructure in Scotland and Wales that Network Rail owns now. OK, it's not a big change, but Germany tends to do rebrandings very infrequently. No.31271 in Railfreight "triple grey" livery with Construction sector markings. And the more I see RA2 and its symbols, the more clumsy it looks. Also, like I said, it's possible that they legally can't call it BR. Because it's not going to be the same as BR. Home Forums When British Rail operations were divided into sectors in the mid-1980s, prior to privatisation, a new version of the Railfreight livery emerged giving the sectors individual identities. Given the furious backlash over the Protocol, as well as the ill-managed disappointment that was the two parties 2010 link-up (under the awful acronym UCUNF), one can understand why Northern Irish politicians shy away from the Tories. GBR will be modelled on the operations of Transport for London, which contracts services on systems such as London Overground. The British Isles is a the collection of European islands consisting of Great Britain, the island of Ireland, Isle of Man and the northern islands that are part of Scotland. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; I wanted to go for something modern yet flexible. Official Description. And other European countries cope with DB trains in France, SNCF trains in Germany etc. It's already been seen with the government controlled LNER and GWR franchises for example. It is not necessary to have it on platform signs as if you don't know you are on the railway when you see them there probably isn't much hope for you. And again, there may be scope to take back control of this. The creation of Great British Railways (GBR) has been dubbed as the end to "a quarter-century of fragmentation" and a means to provide "accountable national leadership". A mock-up for the British Railways Mark 2 stock was displayed at the Design Centre, 28 Haymarket, London, (the showrooms of the Council of Industrial Design) in 1964. I might take an example railway station (I'm thinking Rugby) and design signage made for that specific station, to see how things could look practically Not convinced. I personally like this Lion logo posted by Tim Dunn on twitter a few years ago. Corridor coaching stock was originally trialled in LNWR coach plum and off-white (nicknamed Plum and Spilt Milk) before Crimson (carmine red) and Cream livery (nicknamed Blood and Custard) was adopted across the network; non-corridor stock was painted plain Crimson. But do you think Queen Nicola would accept trains branded as "Rail England" coming across the border? Or the awful corporate blue BR? It looks like BR. Sadly cream on modern stock looks quite bad, or I suspect one incarnation of GWR might have tried it white might work ok instead. Although from the mid-1960s to the 1980s the organisation was associated with "Rail Blue", a number of other schemes were also used, especially when it was split into operating units or "sectors" in the mid-1980s. The rebranding of British Railways to British Rail on 1 January 1965 was coupled with the introduction of an entirely new national livery. Variants to the national brand will be developed to refect the English regions, Scotland and Wales, while emphasising that the railway is one network serving the whole of Great Britain. No.90021 in revised Railfreight "triple grey" livery, with Railfreight Distribution sector markings. You are using an out of date browser. A corporate livery was created for major express services in Scotland, which effectively consisted of the InterCity livery with the red stripe replaced by a light blue one. For cost reasons, liveries were usually changed piecemeal, when coaches came in for scheduled maintenance. The smokebox, running plate, and running gear remained black, and the bufferbeam remained red. [4] One locomotive, Class 47 No.D1733, was painted to match the coaching stock. British Railways was formed in 1948, it was divided into geographical regions loosely based on the pre-war Big Four company areas, Scotland became a region on its own and the former LNER area was divided into North Eastern and Eastern Regions. It may not display this or other websites correctly. This may well take time to introduce and rollout but my suggestion is as follows. for some form of co-branding. The text won't be centred vertically with the logo. Here is some variants of my original 'swallow inspired' design. Great Britain is not a country; its a landmass. On 10 June 1986, British Rail launched Network SouthEast, an organisation designed to cut across the traditional regional boundaries and deliver a co-ordinated train service for London and the surrounding region. This includes transport, with the first Union Connectivity Review being published earlier this year. . You are using an out of date browser. One thing that might work, though, would be to drop the full text from the red band and just have a subtle double arrow on the right hand side in that. | Page 15 | RailUK Forums We're pleased to announce the launch of our new booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk, which helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchased. Given that the vast majority of passengers dont really care what the brand is, do GBR really need a brand? You are using an out of date browser. After contacting GBRTT (Transition Team), I have been informed of their intention to create a new livery. The train is operated by the Steam Dreams Rail Co. Mayflower built in 1948, is one of two surviving B1 Class locomotives and painted in distinctive British Railways apple green livery. One hallmark of the Governments approach to the constitutional struggle to hold the United Kingdom together has been a recognition that pro-Union policy is not simply a matter for a single department: it needs to run throughout the business of the State. Instead, I just added an icon next to the full text and removed it from the main station name. The coaches for the XP64 train were painted in a slightly lighter version of what would eventually become Rail Blue, with a 44-inch-wide (1,100mm) Pale Ivory stripe centred on the passenger windows, and brown underframe. ScotRail was the brand name under which British Rail operated passenger services in Scotland and cross border services to Northern England and London. GBR will own all stations and most infrastructure in Great Britain. InterCity (or, in the earliest days, the hyphenated Inter-City) was introduced by British Rail in 1966 as a brand-name for its long-haul express passenger services (see British Rail brand names for a full history).. The Great British Railways Transition Team is developing a range of rail freight growth target options. I'm not convinced "InterCity" services warrant different branding now, as they are no longer of premium quality in terms of service provision; in many case they're just regional or commuter services (thinks XC and GWR in particular). It still has to look good decades from now. Why? Copyright 2023 Great British Railways Transition Team. Theres no vote in Northern Ireland for him or his Conservative party so he doesnt care, hes hands off.. GBR will develop masterplans for station renewal. Rail Express Systems was the sector of British Rail responsible for transport of mail and parcels traffic. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. 1948 -. "Great" means "large", not "very good". There have also been subtle font changes. Something will need to be kept open for Open Access Operators to be distinguished. During 2020, in the midst of the COVID-19 pandemic, all passenger train operating companies (TOCs) entered into Emergency Recovery Measures Agreements with the UK and Scottish Governments. The livery was applied only to some Class 309 "Clacton" units on the former Eastern Region and to a few of Classes 411 (4Cep), 419 (MLV) and 421 (4Cig) on the former Southern Region. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Class 14s D9537 (in desert sand livery) and D9539 prepare a double-head a train on the Ribble Steam Railway. I never knew I had OCD until that remark lol. The red stripe does work, very similar to what the Welsh are doing. [7], Under Network Rail, all stations are formally in public hands since 2014, but only 20 (mainly large termini and central stations) are managed directly by it. Why could GBR franchises not do the same? Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; And although BR did changes, it was still the same basic livery really. The livery derived its nickname from a perceived resemblance to the internal appearance of a Jaffa Cake. Introduced in 1965, and also known as "Monastral Blue", the colour was defined by British Rail standards BR28/6001 (Airless spray finish) and BR28/5321 (Brush finish). Famous in York and up and down the East Coast Main Line, LNER could soon be consigned to history - again, YorkMix understands. Variants where the band was blue (outer suburban) or green (inner suburban) instead of orange were planned, but never implemented.[15]. All other brands (SE, Southern, Thameslink, SWR, GWR, TfW, Merseyrail, Overground, Crossrail, GA, c2c, Scotrail) remain as they are. This isn't true, there have been subtle changes. Now there's a system others can look up to. A number of sets of coaching stock and a handful of locomotives received the livery, as well as most new multiple units and some existing ones. Class 52 No.D1015 restored to 1960's Western Region Maroon livery. Wholely agree. The livery comprised brown upper panels with a colour described variously as "biscuit" or "fawn" along the lower panels and separated by a broad orange band. A commonly mistake to make, but one that can easily upset the locals! Due to the consequent muddle of liveries, many trains began to get an untidy if not tatty appearance which added to the run-down image of the railway. The white paper does not specify whether the branding of devolved railways such as London Overground and Merseyrail will be affected.[7]. The Tories, particulary this present mob of throwbacks, have long since co-opted the "great" in "Great Britain" to mean "very good"and its xenophobic, imperialist undertones make me want to vomit. Read about the differences between Britain, the. In 2001, as passenger work for diesel locomotives operated by Virgin CrossCountry came to an end, a number of their Class 47s were painted in "heritage" liveries that they had carried in the past, including the former D1733, now 47853, which once again carried a near-correct version of the XP64 livery. European paint code RAL5020 ("Ocean Blue") is a good match to Rail Blue. English regions, Scotland, and Wales will have their own variants, but these will still emphasise the national nature of GBR. The Class 309 units worked between Liverpool Street and Clacton, occasionally also to Ipswich and Norwich and later upon transfer saw the livery briefly appear around Manchester and Birmingham. I don't think there would ever be multiple logos for Great British Railways as you've alluded to - it would make it complicated for the end passenger. though we may have to wait for a new govt for that to happen. In 1964, as part of a plan to develop a new corporate image for British Railways, a number of experiments were tried; Discussions on the livery for British Railways coaching stock in 1948 eventually settled on a network-wide two-tone livery of crimson and cream for corridor coaches, with all-over crimson being used for local, non-corridor stock. Rail alphabet had the advantage of being clear, legible and was pretty much consistently applied. Unfortunately, there is little sign that Beattie actually intends to do anything differently, in this regard at least, to the Democratic Unionists he hopes to supplant. [16] A public vote was held following the announcement.[16]. 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