bmw n20 131501

Loss of power and smoke on the exhaust when accelerating. Now I'm getting the drivetrain malfunction every time I start my car. The actual angle also varied as in the previous test but on average was nearly equal to the desired angle. Note: When the ISTA system message displays: Battery voltage only XX.XX V. Please connect https://youtu.be/Frj0a82XfDo, He did not notice any whining- but do you hear whining in this second video? This time the desired angle was not a constant as in the previous tests. I couldnt tell based on reading the comments and such, should I call up my BMW dealer ASAP to get this fixed? Thank you. It definitely isnt a prominent/dangerous rattling sound like in the video Jack posted on Aug 30. Reset codes and adaptations without increment wheel. I am quite surprised to see that in Europe there is no one who has reported this problem, whereas with you in the United States it seems very frequent. Hello! Hi, I have a 2014 BMW 428i X drive coupe. It gave the code 2D61 VANOS Outlet control, position not reached. Yesterday when i was driving the car normally on the hwy the drivetrain malfunction popped up and car went into a reduced power mode. What about the rest? 2. It cannot be timing. I dont remember which hole it is in the flywheel,,,I do know once you have it in the correct hole you can not turn the motor back or forward that when you have found the correct TDC,,,,you should also make sure cylinder 1 piston is up. Entdecken Sie SKF VKMA38227 Keilrippenriemensatz Keilriemen Satz Keilriemensatz fr BMW in der groen Auswahl bei eBay. 130f11 130308 VANOS, exhaust, control fault, position not reached 2008 BMW 128I [0.00] Check engine light DTC 131501. I still have under 70k miles and not reached 7 years. The timing was checked several times after installing the new chain. Same. What symptoms and codes might you get if your timing chain had failed? Code 130104 Vanos intake control fault camshaft stuck F025-13-07-506 for the F25 1c0102 C. I dont know how serious this is,,,but your mechanic is right to remove the valve cover and inspect the timing chain and guide rails,,,,if that is ok the check the exhaust vanos unit and intake vanos units,,,,your faults are for the exhaust side,,,the boost charge fault is due to the exhaust vanos faults. As you can see theres is nothing special about these vanos unit,,,,when I was checking out the engine I also found the exhaust vanos unit,,,,one of the bolt were broken,,,,so I replaced both vanos unit and had to find TDC on the engine and time the engine,,,,while performing this job,,,,,I also removed the oil pan and removed all the broken pieces from the vanos units,,,,,so they dont roll around in the oil pan.,,,,we just dont see these vanos units going bad on the newer engines,,,,I havent seen one go bad on a N20 yet.,,,,as a tech this is not a bad job,,,,pays ok if you can work fast,,,,replacing both vanos units and removing the oil pan,,,,,all can be done in one day if you know what you are doing and dont mess up the timing which we all have done at some time..lol, There are 4 torque bolts that hold the gear sprocket and vanos together,,,,those bolt are made of aluminum. Maybe a stupid question but I noticed the f31 328i xdrive is mentioned on the form but not the rw ? 131401 VANOS, exhaust, starting from cold: Non-adjustable Having the same. But, it will need to be adjusted and tested properly using genuine BMW software. There are locking pins integrated inside the units. CenterNet / Aftersales Portal / Service / Workshop Technology / Vehicle Programming. Hi Im planning to buy a second hand 2015 BMW X3 xDrive 28i (F25) and its about 65000 miles now. check out the. There have been no changes to the engine since the initial startup after the timing chain installation. The ticking noise is normal on all N20 engine during cold start and then it get quieter when it warms up,,,what Im more worried about if the car has a whining noise and also trying to get the timing chain and rails replaced under BMW extended warranty. No turnover on start at all. another repair, use the Plus code labor operation 00 00 556 instead. For information on programming and coding with ISTA/P, refer to Checked the Camshaft Journal Caps. Thank you!! Andrea, I just found your blog looking for answers for my used/ new to me 2013 328i with N20 engine. Example: P1055 Hex Codes are typically given by more advanced scanners. JavaScript is disabled. N20/N26 is an attemptof BMWAG to reclaim 4-cylinder glory from the past, e.g. The dealership should be interested in fixing it because it means money for the tech and for the dealership,,,,that doesnt make any sense. and Thanks for the input, do you think dealership will take my picture as evidence and approve chain replacement? designates changes to this revision Ive change engine mount, spark plug, coil but problem is the same. Cheers, Also, I had the whole transmission replaced at 42K miles when I bought it. Labor Operation: Labor Allowance: Description: Two questions: Should I be concerned about the timing chain/guides issue in her vehicle? Ive enjoyed your blog and I hope you will start posting again. Note that ISTA/P will automatically reprogram and code all programmable control modules that do Turn the ignition on. 130304 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ASE and BMW Master Certified Technician 09-28-2017, 07:33 PM #6 Ramos8553 Member Join Date Sep 2017 Thanks, The charge pressure fault is probably due to the the vanos fault,,,,it looks like you replaced all the general stuff already and you are sure the timing is correct,,,,,you said the engine had low water damage what does that mean,,,is it possible the exhaust camshaft is binding,,,,you might want to check the exhaust camshaft journal caps. 130108 He said the technician found this out by putting a scope in the engine but didnt explain it any further, nor did he address what the diagnostic code was for the sensor being on. If so, can I buy the warranty for the used car now? Yes I have seen some engines survive,,,,it just hard to say what damage was done to the engine and how bad it is,,,,and is it worth fixing. How do I approach the dealer saying I hear a noise and whatnot for them to fix it while it is still under warranty? https://www.bmwtis.net/tiscode/cgi-bin/bulletin.aspx?sie_path=/tsb/bulletins/htm_store/158 1/6/2014 Refer to KSD2 for the corresponding flat rate unit (FRU) allowance. code:131501 VANOS, intake, cold start: not controllable. BMW says I caused engine cease. Thoughts?? My daughters 2013 survived. The only fault was still the boost disable fault. The 7 years/70000 miles extended limited warranty follows the VIN, so if the 2015 X3 is on the list, the N20/N26 engine will be covered. Its hard to say what the problem is with out hearing and driving the car,,,,I dont think the noise is timing chain because that makes a whining noise,,,the only leak could be a exhaust leak but you said the steering also shakes,,,have you had the tires and rims checked make sure rims are not bent,,,also check the rear transmission mount make sure they are not cracked or broken,,,also check the drive belt tensioner could be a problem. Hello did you ever resolve that issue? When engine starts cam shaft on exhaust goes all the way to the end. I just purchased a 2016 228i xDrive Cabriolet (manufactured in Germany) with 46k kilometers for my wife. I am troubleshooting an issue with it already for weeks now and unfortunately I was not able to find the root cause yet. The update can only be done at the dealer,,,you will only need a update if there is some kind of BMW recall on software or if at anytime your car might need some other repair which might call for a update for the repairs.,,,your 2009 is a lot older system,,,that car is like Windows XP compared to Windows 10,,,,lol,,,there's a big difference both Since its not on the list, does this mean this timing chain guide failure is highly unlikely? Good day. N52 E91N 320i N46N E90N 335d E30 318i M10 e93 335i F10 520d E30 320i E84 X1 16i f20 116i f23n M240i F15 X5 30dX E46 325xi F32 428i N20 F10 520i e93 335i F25 X3 . There were no faults. Picture of my timing chain guide rail cracking: https://imgur.com/4P3ATsK. Coasting to a stop the engine suddenly died and would not restart. Whether the engine is cold or warm, the VANOS faults appear within 15 seconds of startup. Id rather not pay more money. A forum community dedicated to BMW owners and enthusiasts. i am getting the following error codes on my 2013 BMW X3 (107k miles): no hesitation. There can typically be a ton of different. BMW replaced the motor and shipped it to us in AZ from Virginia. Was it coincidental and maybe the bits of trash in the both VANOS spool valves cleared at the exact same time? What is your opinion about the above? I called the mechanic he said it was a fault related to the emissions. 131908-VANOS inlet: cold start, Position not reached. Please help! You are correct almost all the problem are in the States,,,all the engines are built in the same plant,,,there is a good chance that the fuel is the cause of these problems,,,,yes it is a good thing your car is not on the list. I havent been sleeping well. This is a common issue on the N20 engine. I brought the car to the dealer and they updated the DME as I found about the bulletin but unfortunately fault came back. It is really a shame that BMW does not communicate on the subject, especially since here in Europe the problem is not repeated while in the United States it seems widespread. Yes, for mine BMW was due to a fault to the timing chain tensioner. The starter and engine appear to make no attempt to start. I manually crank engine over few time but after start it always goes retarded on exhaust cam shaft. Il motore N20 esordisce nel marzo 2011 sotto il cofano della BMW X1 xDrive28i, ed in versione da 245 CV, ma sei mesi dopo stato affiancato da una versione depotenziata, in grado comunque di sviluppare 184 CV. Ok the charge boost pressure fault is related to the vanos faults,,,,the vanos faults could be a couple of things but since you just replaced the timing chain maybe the timing is not correct on the intake vanos unit? Yes you need to buy the camshaft locking tools,,,,the timing will slip,,,,you need a t-stat also,,,,the charge pressure fault may be due to the vanos unit,,,,the trailer issue is a random fault,,,,hope this helps. Technical Service This Service Information bulletin supersedes SI B12 15 13 dated September 2013. This situation can occur as a customer complaint, or after performing Should I proactively replace the timing chain tensioner, part number 11318685091 (replaces part number 11317567680)? Page 4 of 4 The BMW Certified Pre-Owned Limited Warranty applies to BMW CPO vehicles that are still But when I try to test VANOS data via ISTA it gives no data, only 0. 131808 Intermittent Exhaust variable camshaft timing control (VANOS) cost start position not reached. We purchased it from a BMW dealership, they didnt mention any potential issues with the timing chain components. The intake cam had the following desired/actual degrees: 0/-8, -20/-20, -10.4/-10, -20/-20 and -10.4/-10. I have a 2015 x1 with an April 2015 manufacture date. and if necessary, also Idk what to do at this point im devastated. I thinks it just some random fault that comes up. I had to replace the valve lifters. Do I have to buy the extended warranty to get the timing chain replaced by BMW or the 7/70 warranty is for all bmw? https://www.bmwtis.net/tiscode/cgi-bin/bulletin.aspx?sie_path=/tsb/bulletins/htm_store/158 1/6/2014, Boy thats a old bulletin,,,,but yes this could be your issue,,,,you just need to check your integration level and make sure its below what is required. No one knows what this CDA904 code means. The warrantee was in place until 2019. Jul 8, 2020. MODEL To delete the three faults actually required deleting the faults two times. You think BMWNA would cover timing chain here if brought in for inspection? Or maybe the fuel that would be implicated! When I go to accelerate now, the engine lags. As there is a known TSB and the solenoid is VVT. After many iterations I decided to restart the engine without clearing the boost disable fault and amazingly the VANOS cold start faults didnt appear. with the following integration levels: charger. DME. Turbo engines are more complex and require several . It would get to 17% and quit. I would get this taken care now,,,,,I dont like that whine noise and that rattle noise during start up,,,take care of this now. So I thing exhaust vanos is not working, or not working correctlycan I get in touch with you? due to a low oil pressure and chain noise.now iam having inlet and outlet vanos dtc . Also can sparkplugs have any influence to this situation? Maybe the function test is different with cold start faults present. 120408 Intermittent Charging pressure control: switch-off as consequence or I learned that if you touch the neg and positive battery cable together while the battery is disconnected it clears the light. thanks for the input. The improved DME software was introduced Kostenlose Lieferung fr viele Artikel! U tell me, BMW my have a governor,,,but you still can over rev the engine,,,,it is a strange design that doesnt work,,,but I think BMW did this way so they can blame the customer for over reving the engine and not paying for a blown engine. 2002 M10 4-cylinder from 1962-1988, and N20/N26 has so many attributes to be legendary. If I reach my finger in through oil filler cap with the engine off and cold, is it normal for there to be some slack in the timing chain on an N20? Hi Hi, I have little complicated problem with F30 N20B20 2012 engine.. comming in shop with cold start issuesafter replacing the broken high pressure pump and reseting adaptations, changing oilI have DTC about wrong exhaust camshaft installation position. Other engines may have this same scenario, but it's not typical. 131501 VANOS, intake, starting from cold: Non-adjustable 131808 VANOS, exhaust, starting from cold: Position not reached . 00 00 006 Refer to KSD2 Performing vehicle test (with vehicle I was told by a mechanic that the engine was done, simply by information from a scan. Changed the exhaust VANOS. Now getting error 131501. Code 131501 Variable camshaft timing control VANOS intake cold start- not controllable F30 I assume it will need to be replaced just because its higher in milage but do you think BMW would warranty it out knowing that theyve said it was lifetime of the vehicle? Ok heres another vanos unit off a 2011 328 N51 engine,,,,this is the intake vanos unit that is now in several pieces,,,,the customer was just driving on the highway when the engine just lost power. Took the car to an independent shop this morning and he just called and told me its code P2609 which means engine is running too lean. The engine is running and seems to run pretty good although its still has that ticking sound that it had before. What are related problems? I checked the timing chain, it looks fine. to model implausibly too high . There are no timing codes. Did you hear anything like this before? Timing is performed by the timing chain. Labor Operation: Labor Allowance: Description: It was somewhat cold today around 20 degrees. 61 00 720 Refer to KSD2 Programming / encoding control unit(s) F010-13-07-506 for the F10 So just saw this in the nick of time. The I-level is newer than the I-level specified in SI B12 15 13. is there a chance that he is wrong? The Service Engine Soon lamp and Engine Malfunction warning are illuminated, and the vehicle document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Maybe I should replace them? 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